Times Like These (with James Gray MP)

A 'Partygate' fine for Boris Johnson would not be 'the end of the world,' says James Gray, Conservative MP for North Wiltshire, but he doesn't blame people for being angry. Speaking as Russia and Ukraine met in Turkey, he tells Bloomberg Westminster's Yuan Potts, if Johnson resigned, Vladimir Putin would be 'extremely pleased - and that would be a mistake.' Plus, the latest polling on attitudes towards Ukraine and the cost of living with Ben Humberstone from Kantar Public. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com