EG’s Office Politics meets Lord Deben - aka John Gummer

<p>Outgoing chair of the Climate Change Committee Lord Deben - perhaps known better to some listeners as former environment secretary and EG columnist John Gummer - speaks to EG's Piers Wehner in the latest episode of the politics and property podcast. </p> <p>In a wide-ranging interview he talks about why he believes the government has failed to deliver on its green promises, why we need a Department for Land Use, what he would do to compel developers to be more green, and why he supports Just Stop Oil. </p> <p>Plus what he would do if he were back in government, and what he wishes he had done better as Secretary of State. </p> <p>“We are now at risk [from climate change] in a way which we have never been before, and we also know what we have to do," he says. "This is a challenge to humanity which will make or break us. And at the moment, it's breaking us."</p>