Daily: MASHA GESSEN on Trump, Putin and the Power Lie

<p>Donald Trump annihilates the language of democracy even as he campaigns to destroy its institutions – and in this, he’s just like Putin. In a podcast unlike any we’ve recorded (complete with live thunderstorms), the author of <a href="https://granta.com/products/surviving-autocracy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Surviving Autocracy</em></a> <strong>MASHA GESSEN</strong> talks to <strong>Dorian Lynskey</strong> about the lies designed to purely to bully, the perils of the next Trump… and why we might come out of the populist mess better than we went in.</p><p><em>Produced and presented by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producer Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. </em><strong><em>THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production</em></strong></p> &#10;&nbsp;<br /><hr><p style='color: grey; font - size: 0.75em; '>See <a style='color: grey; ' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information.</p>