AFSCME President Lee Saunders on a contested convention and how adversity rejevenuated his union

<p>Lee Saunders is the head of one of the country’s largest unions, the&nbsp;American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. </p><p><br></p><p>He talks about why union membership has steadily gone down for decades, how an adverse ruling at the Supreme Court rejuvenated his union, and what it takes to lead a large organization effectively.</p><p><br></p><p>He also talks about the Democratic National Committee process to change the primary rules, and how the Democrats should not change the rules again to help Bernie Sanders avoid a contested convention if he has the most delegates but less than a majority. </p><p><br></p><p>The outro song is a tribute to Martin Luther King, Jr., who was assassinated in 1968 after marching with the Memphis sanitation workers, who were on strike and attempting to join AFSCME Local 1733. </p><p><br></p><p>Outro music: "They Killed Him" by Bob Dylan (words by Kris Kristofferson)</p> <p>Support this show <a target="_blank" rel="payment" href="http://supporter.acast.com/thelonggame">http://supporter.acast.com/thelonggame</a>.</p> &#10;&nbsp;<br /><hr><p style='color: grey; font - size: 0.75em; '>See <a style='color: grey; ' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for privacy and opt-out information.</p>