12.8 Hollie McNish, Poet

<p>Are you following someone else's rules? Viv Groskop talks to poet Hollie McNish about the value of working out your own way to do something - even if it takes time. Hollie discusses her efforts to unlearn society's unhelpful lessons about being female, including frank conversations with her grandmother. And she explores nerves, pressure, being apologetic - and the sadness of putting poems about her gran into the past tense.</p> <p>You can find out more about Hollie and her new book, Slug and Other Things I've Been Told to Hate at <a href= "https://holliepoetry.com/">holliepoetry.com</a> </p> <div> <p>Viv's book, <a href= "https://uk.bookshop.org/books/lift-as-you-climb-women-and-the-art-of-ambition/9781787633049">Lift As You Climb</a> is out now.</p> <p><a href= "https://www.instagram.com/vivgroskop/?hl=en">@vivgroskop</a></p> </div>