142. Ukraine, Defense, and Climate Change with William Hague and David Miliband

<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">All eyes are on Ukraine as we watch the horrific events unfold as a result of Russian aggression. Are we sliding toward a global catastrophe or seeing the birth of a new political order? How will we know which one awaits us?</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This week, we speak to former UK Foriegn Ministers David Miliband and the Rt Hon Lord William Hague. We pitch to them this question of, “how will we know which one awaits us?” as we admire the resilience of the people of Ukraine and witness the inextinguishable might of people power.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Is this the ironic end of global energy dependence on a petrostate or the resurgence of fossil fuel infrastructure for the sake of energy independence?</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">No simple answers ahead.</span></p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">—</span></p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Christiana + Tom’s book</span> <a href= "https://globaloptimism.com/the-future-we-choose/"><span style= "font-weight: 400;">‘The Future We Choose’</span></a> <span style= "font-weight: 400;">is available now!</span></p> <p><a href="https://www.outrageandoptimism.org/#join"><span style= "font-weight: 400;">Subscribe to our Climate Action Newsletter</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">!</span></p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">—</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mentioned links from the episode:</span></p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">READ: William Hague’s piece from 2019 in The Telegraph -</span> <a href= "https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/22/time-denial-conservatives-have-take-climate-crisis-seriously/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Conservatives Have to Take the Climate Crisis Seriously</span></a></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">READ: David Miliband’s latest in NYT -</span> <a href= "https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/opinion/ukraine-russia-refu