[Unedited] Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach with Krista Tippett

<p>Glennon Doyle’s book <i>Untamed </i>has been a sensation of 2020 and beyond, and now she’s launched a new podcast titled with words of hers that have become a cultural force: <i>We Can Do Hard Things</i>. Meanwhile her wife, the soccer icon Abby Wambach, has her own bestselling books and is hosting a new tv show - <i>Abby’s Places</i> on ESPN+. Krista spoke with them before they were quite so much in the public eye together, and it’s a window into the passions that brought them here. They sat together in Seattle at the 2018 summit of Women Moving Millions, a consortium of women testing the meaning and boundaries of philanthropy. And courage was the theme of the day.</p><p>Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA Women’s World Cup champion, and six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of Year Award. She’s written two books: <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/wolfpack-how-to-come-together-unleash-our-power-and-change-the-game/9781250217707"><i>Wolfpack</i></a><i> </i>and <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/forward-a-memoir/9780062467003"><i>Forward: A Memoir</i></a>, and is host of “<i>Abby’s Places” </i>on ESPN+.</p><p>Glennon Doyle is creator of the online community <a href="https://momastery.com/blog/">Momastery </a>and founder and president of Together Rising, a nonprofit for women and children in crisis. Her books include <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/untamed-9781984801258/9781984801258"><i>Untamed</i></a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/love-warrior-a-memoir-9781250075734/9781250075734"><i>Love Warrior</i></a><i>. </i>She also hosts the podcast, <i>“</i><a href="http://wecandohardthingspodcast.com/"><i>We Can Do Hard Things</i></a><i>.”</i></p><p>This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach — ‘Courage is the presence of fear, and going anyway.’</p><p> Find the transcript for that show at <a href="https://onbeing.org/programs/glennon-doyle-and-abby-wambach-courage-is-the-presence-of-fear-and-going-a